Ask HN: I quit my job over weaponized robots to start my own venture

Two weeks ago, I quit my job at a robotics company. I was working with high-end hardware (Boston Dynamics, Unitree), but I found out they were planning to mount teleoperated weapons on the robotic platforms for a demo. I’m not willing to go there, so I resigned without another offer.

I’ve decided this is the right time to go back to entrepreneurship. We're at an incredible moment for embodied intelligence, but I feel the tools and workflows we use to interact, monitor, and control these platforms are still lagging behind.

I'm currently exploring a couple of projects around how we build, test, and interact with robots. As part of my customer discovery phase, I'm trying to gather raw data on how roboticists and developers actually work day to day and what their main pain points are regarding control interfaces.

I put together a very short survey (3 mins) to validate some ideas. If you work in robotics, embedded systems, or just tinker with hardware, your input would be incredibly valuable:

Survey link: https://forms.gle/3Nm76wkeT5CMt23c8

I'm also open to discussing the ethical lines in modern robotics or anything related to ROS2 / HRI in the thread. Thanks for reading!

70 pontos | por barratia 6 horas atrás

15 comentários

  • claudiacsf
    4 horas atrás
    Not helpful if all detractors leave a company that's going down a dangerous path, leaving all the trigger happy peeps to follow their worst instincts. But understandable regardless.
  • 440bx
    5 horas atrás
    Good on you. I quit my job in the defence sector over two decades ago for the same reasons. Best decision I ever made.
  • leetrout
    5 horas atrás
    I am building a very similar thing after a short stent at a robotics company in 2024. The industry is very far behind more general dev experience and tooling.

    I am forced to accept the popularity of ROS but I find it to generally be a terrible experience. Are you considering an alternative? Have you used foxglove?

    • barratia
      4 horas atrás
      Hey! Great to hear from someone in the same boat. I completely agree, the general dev experience and tooling around ROS can be deeply frustrating...

      I am definitely looking into Foxglove! It seems to solve many of the transport/protocol headaches, but I feel like there's still a massive gap in how we actually interact with the robots day to day, especially when you are not glued to a desktop monitor.

      I'd love to hear more about your experience. What specific part of the tooling drove you crazy enough to start building an alternative?

      (Also, if you are open to a quick 15-min chat to share "war" stories, let me know!)

  • sminchev
    5 horas atrás
    Robots are everywhere. Especially in the factories. I think making things automatic is good, all those stupid jobs, moving all day something from one place to another, manually is pure waste of human energy. If this energy is redirected to education, and more meaningful work, those people will be much more valuable for their community and the world. If robots are used in that direction, they can do a lot of good things, and there will be no ethical lines to cross.

    Helping people enhance is a good thing!

    • idiotsecant
      5 horas atrás
      Nobody is objecting to the loss of bad jobs. The jobs themselves are not the problem. The problem is that we tie basic human dignity to how much value that human can produce, and then remove the ability to produce that value. It leads to the stratification of society between the people who own the automation and the people who don't. That's always been a problem but we're about to enter a period of exponentially worse growth of that problem, beyond the ability of social systems to handle. A 'k shaped' future is not stable.
  • robin_reala
    5 horas atrás
    You didn’t know Boston Dynamics was involved in weaponised platforms until 2 weeks ago? That feels like wilful ignorance at this point; DARPA was sponsoring BigDog which was revealed two decades ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8802-robotic-pack-mul...
    • barratia
      5 horas atrás
      Just to clarify: I didn't work at Boston Dynamics, I worked for a company that used their hardware (among others) as platforms for our own projects.

      I knew about BD's history with DARPA, of course. The issue was that my company was doing some actually really interesting non-defense work, and then decided to pivot and mount teleoperated weapons on these platforms for a new demo. That’s when I submitted my resignation :)

    • embedding-shape
      5 horas atrás
      People sometimes do things they aren't sure about, and then change their mind when the proof is right in front of them. I don't think this makes them a bad person, or wilful ignorance, maybe naive or optimistic, but you could accept employment with a company who you know had "shady" sponsors in the past hoping they'll do better in the future, then when the evidence mounts against the future actually being better, you decide to leave.

      Human emotions and reasoning could be internally inconsistent and conflicting, yet everything is as it should be, counter-intuitively.

    • pj_mukh
      5 horas atrás
      Boston Dynamics has sworn off all war machine development [1].

      But as expected, others have taken their place [2]. Guilt-tripping a single non-monopoly proving useless again.

      [1]: https://bostondynamics.com/news/general-purpose-robots-shoul...

      [2]: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20260323PD219/military-bosto...

      • Hendrikto
        5 horas atrás
        > Boston Dynamics has sworn off all war machine development [1].

        That’s just marketing bs in the same vein as “Your privacy is very important to us.”. It means nothing.

    • horsawlarway
      5 horas atrás
      Boston Dynamics sells hardware as platforms for other companies to build on (ex: Spot/Stretch).

      He said he worked with their hardware, not that he worked for Boston Dynamics.

      Entirely possible to be working with a platform provided by Boston Dynamics at a company that is not engaged in weapons development.

    • Philpax
      5 horas atrás
      They weren't working for BD, they were working for a company using BD's platforms.
  • tqwhite
    5 horas atrás
    Tough call giving up a good job. Admiration.
  • Chance-Device
    5 horas atrás
    I do not work in robotics, but I would also like to thank you for listening to your conscience and resigning. The world needs more people like you. I hope your venture goes well!
  • testemailfordg2
    5 horas atrás
    I guess people making swords and arrows in the past had similar ethical dilemas in the begining, until they were attacked and then it became business as usual.
    • arvid-lind
      5 horas atrás
      I would assume those things (at least arrows) were created for hunting food rather than killing other people, but I could be wrong. Maybe the tech there is that a lot of weapons can be created with simple components.

      With robotics and AI, it feels like there are a lot of directions it could go that would lead to higher quality of life and not just temporary advantages for killing other people.

  • shevy-java
    5 horas atrás
    I think ethics will often fall short in general. I don't mean this to be limited to the comment above by the threadstarter, but when it comes to money, most people will choose money. People will have different threshold levels of what they want to accept.

    Using a survey like this is IMO not ideal though.

  • jMyles
    5 horas atrás
    Thank you so much for quitting and putting the long-term needs of humanity over your short-term economic comfort. This is nothing short of a heroic move.

    I hope you are able to convince some of your colleagues to do likewise.

  • rvz
    6 horas atrás
    Unfortunately, this is where robotics is going to end up. We already have drones being used in warfare. Humanoids are next.

    Won't be surprised to see hundreds of thousands of humanoid robots strapped up with explosives running to their target or some of them flying to their target with drones attached.

    • Tangurena2
      5 horas atrás
      I don't see bipedal murderbots being commonplace - they're a lot slower than 4-legged "Big Dogs". I think that the Ukraine war has shown that "slaughterbots" are far more likely.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU

    • Brian_K_White
      5 horas atrás
      That may be true but doesn't matter. The fact that weapons will exist and even the fact that they must exist, and even the fact that you benefit from them existing, none of that means you are obligated to work on or with them yourself.

      Cakes exist and I even like them, and I do not choose to work at a bakery.

    • taffydavid
      5 horas atrás
      Something like the robot from interstellar is probably more likely.

      All the drone warfare developments remind me of the introduction of tanks during the first world war and perfected by the second world war. In the space of a few years they changed warfare. Then planes changed warfare again. Now drones. Makes you wonder what the next thing will be

    • perlgeek
      5 horas atrás
      Yet there are also many civil uses for drones, and I can totally understand the desire to involved only with the civil side of robotics.
    • XorNot
      5 horas atrás
      Why would you build a very expensive bipedal robot to suicide bomb someone, when as you note, a very cheap flying drone could do the same thing? (and more over: already is, this is literally how drones are used in Ukraine).

      Which of course leads to point 2: it's very easy to take a moral stance on weapons when you don't think you're in any danger, nor going to be doing any of the fighting otherwise.

      • ukd1
        5 horas atrás
        Why: bipedal maybe not, but non-flying can usually carry more.
    • ForHackernews
      4 horas atrás
      Why would they have to be killer robots strapped with explosives? If we have highly capable semi-autonomous robots they could be non-lethal with no risk of life to their owners. It upends the entire paradigm of kill-or-be-killed warfare.

      Rather than blowing up a school full of little girls, you could deploy a swarm of thousands of fast-moving cat-sized robots armed with tasers and bolas to identify and capture targeted enemy leaders.

    • ukd1
      5 horas atrás
      Well humanoid / non-flying robotic weapons are already being used, and have been for a while. e.g. Zelenskyy https://x.com/KaterynaLis/status/2043827043863863404?s=20 talking about their successful use recently.
      • sarchertech
        4 horas atrás
        He’s not talking about humanoid robots. He’s talking about tracked and wheeled weapons platforms that are essentially small RC tanks.
  • Imustaskforhelp
    6 horas atrás
    can I recommend to you to not use google forms, I know that they are convenient but they aren't privacy friendly.

    There are many open source solutions out there: https://alternativeto.net/software/google-forms/?license=ope... I recommend if you can choose any of privacy friendly options, thanks and have a nice day.

    • macrolet
      5 horas atrás
      Perhaps we need something like hnforms or startupforms, to help founders?
      • cardamomo
        5 horas atrás
        My hot take: if a founder can't spin up a simple, self-hosted webform of some sort, I'm already wary of their technical skills.
        • wepple
          5 horas atrás
          Spinning it up is not the problem. You want to spend the time to throughly test it (or have your agent swarm test it) so you don’t waste the opportunity of having HN input?

          I’d be wary of a founder with such bad NIH

        • 4ndrewl
          4 horas atrás
          Only applicable if their core business is form-adjacent.

          Web forms are simple like that slack notification thing is simple.

        • macrolet
          5 horas atrás
          I would let them do the opposite. I would make hnforms (maybe mdforms) based on the following idea.

          Write a form in .md (even tell an llm to do it) and just put it online.

        • recursivegirth
          5 horas atrás
          Slightly agree, however I prefer third party forms as it usually avoids a bunch of the BS with bot submissions, etc.
    • assanineass
      5 horas atrás
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  • gilhyun
    5 horas atrás
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  • 2ndorderthought
    5 horas atrás
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  • vb-8448
    5 horas atrás
    > I’m not willing to go there

    Unfortunately it doesn't matter, some else will go ... just look at the ukr war.