Consequences of passing too few register parameters to a C function

(devblogs.microsoft.com)

82 pontos | por aragonite 12 dias atrás

10 comentários

  • bananamogul
    10 dias atrás
    Raymend Chen has probably forgotten more about programming than I'll ever know, but aren't the first two blah() function examples either missing a } or have a superfluous { after the else?
    • billforsternz
      10 dias atrás
      Yes. And in the second one he has return c; when he meant return b;

      Homer nods.

    • Onavo
      10 dias atrás
      [flagged]
      • camkego
        10 dias atrás
        Why? Because of LLM vibe coding?
        • dataflow
          10 dias atrás
          Yeah. The next generation of software engineers is coming. Brace yourself.
          • tdeck
            10 dias atrás
            Eternal sloptember?
            • smcin
              10 dias atrás
              Heavens forfend
        • burner420042
          10 dias atrás
          Instantly finding a missing semicolon or unbalanced parentheses on a screen of text.

          Kids these days!

  • CodeArtisan
    10 dias atrás
    Until C23, you could declare a pointer to a procedure that takes an unspecified amount of any type arguments like this

        void foo( int (*f)() )
        {
            f(1);
            f(1, "2" , 3.0);
        }
    
    https://godbolt.org/z/s6e5rnqv9

    If you compile with -std=c23, both gcc and clang will throw an error ( (*f)() is now the same as (*f)(void) )

    • AshamedCaptain
      10 dias atrás
      You do not need the pointer at all. f() not specifying the arguments has been the case since forever. "Prototypes" (90s) are newer than C.
  • anitil
    10 dias atrás
    I had never considered the idea of passing too few register params so I didn't immediately think of the reuse problem. And I had no idea about Itanium's Not-a-thing bit! Always a good read from Raymond Chen.
  • charleslmunger
    10 dias atrás
    I had fun exploiting this to detect the falling convention used by some code at runtime - there were two different options depending on OS version; one passed a jnienv* as the first param, the other did not. So if I called it with 0, I could tell which was being used based on whether the first argument was NULL or not. Only used for specific architectures with a defined ABI that behaved this way, of course.
  • hyperhello
    10 dias atrás
    Do you really not ‘pass’ register parameters? How can anyone tell if you didn’t?
    • Polizeiposaune
      10 dias atrás
      Read the post - not all architectures behave the same!

      Itanic had variable-sized register windows, plus extra tag bits for NaT ("not a thing") placeholder values. If you didn't set one of the argument registers the callee might trap in unexpected ways when it touches the register garbage.

      • hyperhello
        10 dias atrás
        Heh, it had rotating register files too. VLIW was so weird.
        • ithkuil
          10 dias atrás
          Sparc (not a VLIW ISA) also had rotating register windows. But ia64 had a twist on it: the register window size was dynamic and "allocated" by the callee with an alloc instruction

          The only other ISA I know of that did something similar was the Am29000

          The Am29000 modeled it in an interesting way though:

          The register file consisted of 128 global registers but the instruction encoding allowed to specify an "indirect register index" mode where the operand register was computed from the content of gr1 plus an offset. Thus gr1 acted as a "register window stack pointer". I _think_ such a computed register index would then be used to index into a separate register file for locals (and arguments etc) but I'm not sure.

          Anybody here is familiar with this quite old ISA?

          (I'm really interested in the richness of the CPU design space, the history of which is fascinating)

        • inkyoto
          10 dias atrás
          Rotating register windows are a distinguishing feature of the Berkeley RISC design, which predates VLIW by at least a decade.
  • LelouBil
    10 dias atrás
    Interesting that some CPUs have a calling convention "built-in"
  • 9fwfj9r
    10 dias atrás
    I regard this yet another unintuitive Itanium quirk that makes it failed.
  • marlburrow
    10 dias atrás
    [flagged]
  • rurban
    10 dias atrás
    Of which decade is this post? I cannot think of any modern architecture which still passes args on the stack.

    Itanium? Stone age

    • jcranmer
      10 dias atrás
      If you have 29 arguments, I assure that you some of them are on the stack in nearly every architecture in use. Also, certain types as parameters also get passed on the stack (usually types larger than a register, or in C++ code, objects with nontrivial constructors or destructors).
      • rurban
        10 dias atrás
        Sure, but he still came up with a 2005 blog post, and attached a 2026 to it. No optimizing C compiler cares for the 2nd arg, when it's a register anyway. And if the 1st is constant, the dead branch is folded away. So the 2nd arg is dead
    • inkyoto
      10 dias atrás
      The vast majority of virtual machines, including JVM and .NET, are stack based.

      And, whilst compiling C and C++ the JVM / .NET CLR byte codes is very uncommon, both VM's have become very popular compilation targets for other programming languages.

  • _kst_
    10 dias atrás
    It's not even possible to pass too few arguments to a function in C unless you go out of your way to write bad code.

    You can write a function declaration that's inconsistent with its definition in another translation unit. Declaring the function in a shared header file avoids this.

    You can use an old-style declaration that doesn't specify what parameters a function expects. Don't do that. Use prototypes.

    You can use a cast to convert a function pointer to an incompatible type, and call through the resulting pointer. Don't do that.

    You can call a function with no visible declaration if your compiler overly permissive or is operating in pre-C99 mode. Don't do that.

    • FartyMcFarter
      10 dias atrás
      > It's not even possible to pass too few arguments to a function in C unless you go out of your way to write bad code.

      This article is exclusively about undefined behaviour. "Bad code" is already baked into the assumptions of the article.

    • userbinator
      10 dias atrás
      This is a site for intellectual curiosity, not pedantic dissmisal.
      • _kst_
        10 dias atrás
        Seriously?

        I discussed some of the technical issues behind the article. If you disagree with anything I wrote, please say so.

        I'm not even saying that the issues discussed in the article aren't useful, just going into how likely they're likely to be encountered in practice.

    • themafia
      10 dias atrás
      You could also use inline assembly.